We congratulate Malpas on an eloquent paper but disagree with her
conclusions:
If it is appropriate to tell a child that they are at risk of some illness
in adult life, Malpas argues, then it must be appropriate to tell them if
they are actually going on to develop it. Such an action may of course be
entirely appropriate for conditions which affect children, or where there
is some medical intervention i...
We congratulate Malpas on an eloquent paper but disagree with her
conclusions:
If it is appropriate to tell a child that they are at risk of some illness
in adult life, Malpas argues, then it must be appropriate to tell them if
they are actually going on to develop it. Such an action may of course be
entirely appropriate for conditions which affect children, or where there
is some medical intervention in childhood that may affect the later course
of the disease, but Malpas does not consider such instances, rather the
genetic conditions, such as Huntington’s disease where there is no
available medical intervention and onset usually occurs in adult life.
Many individuals at risk of HD, when allowed to make informed choices as
adults, choose not to know their genetic status, even though they have
lived with the knowledge of their own risk for many years. Indeed only a
minority of those at risk go on to have predictive genetic testing. This
remains the main reason to not test during childhood: Testing during
childhood denies those children the informed choice as adults.
Malpas views the distinction between the knowledge someone is at risk
(through knowing a disease is present in the family) and knowledge of
genetic status, as an arbitrary and illogical cut-off, yet we suggest that
this distinction is in place for very good reasons. Whilst it may be
unhelpful and deleterious to a child to deny that the obvious clinical
features a close relative is exhibiting have any relevance to them, it is
not logical to conclude that they might then as well have a genetic test
to confirm their own status. Imagine the following analogy: Most children
will become aware at some point during their childhood that they are
mortal. Some will struggle with this, and spend some time being very
anxious about it, but at some point during childhood their risk of dying
will be assimilated. Suppose it were possible, through some test, to
predict the actual date of death. It does not follow that, just because
the child is aware in childhood that the risk of death is there, that it
is therefore now also logical to predict its actual date. Furthermore, if
such a test were freely available to adults there might be a variable
uptake: Some will want it to use this information to plan their lives
while others would rather live in ignorance of such knowledge. Such
difficult choices should be left until a time that adequate consent can be
given.
The decisions that the child will want to make on the strength of the
test results may initially appear reasonable but, on closer examination,
the claimed benefits of knowledge vanish into the mist. End of life
decisions cannot sensibly be made by a healthy young child who has some
decades to live … and who is likely to experience good times as well as
bad during those years. Decisions about education, career and
relationships may be made by a young child but are more likely to blight
their healthy years than an uncertain risk of disease at some point in the
future. We all live with death ahead of us; those who may harbour a
genetic disorder realise that this death rather than another death may
await them – but to a child or teenager, their situation may not seem very
different from that of their peers. To know that this particular death is
what awaits you, however, is very different and could well be disturbing.
Early knowledge of genetic status may be helpful and lead on to
important choices – if the test gives a favourable result. To assimilate
an unfavourable result while avoiding the perception that this is a threat
will be much harder if the child’s unfortunate genetic status is already
known. For a child to retain “hope” when his parents are anxious and
distressed about a test result will be difficult indeed. The “good”
outcomes of bad test results arise in circumstances where the individual
has chosen to go through testing as an independent person and in a very
different context from that of a child whose parents are clearly anxious
about their child’s future and eager to resolve their own uncertainty at
the expense of their child’s capacity to make an independent choice in the
future.
Malpas does not like secrets within the family. We can all agree that
difficult information should be discussed as openly as possible but, if
the information causes family members great distress or if the relevant
biology is difficult to understand, there will be limits as to what it is
helpful to share with a young child. Passing on the knowledge requires
that the child is shown how to view it from a helpful perspective. This
will be a real challenge for many families who have been devastated by
disease. While many families often manage this task well, to give
information about hard facts, rather than information about mere risks,
might well prove too difficult for many. If an affected parent (or a
parent at very high risk), has tested a child in the hope of finding that
the child, at least, has been spared, and if this hope has been dashed,
then the support that they can provide to help the child may be limited.
A powerful advantage of discussing the family illness with a child
but explicitly deferring the moment of testing at least to their reaching
adult maturity is that this emphasises both (a) that the decision about
testing is serious, and (b) that this decision is for them to make – that
they are trusted with this. So the family and professionals – if they
agree – are jointly acting to acknowledge the difficult situation of the
child and, at the same time, validating the child’s worth as an
individual. This can be a very powerful message and potentially
therapeutic. To move away from this position does not seem to us to be a
move in the right direction.
Thank you for your detailed comments on my article. They were
certainly a lot more constructive than some of the bizarre abuse I
received on doctors.net.uk. I would like to respond to some of your
points:
1. I certainly do not suggest that the average medical student is a
"stereotypical ancient social neanderthal." Of course medics have a wide
variety of hobbies. But (i) there is surel...
Thank you for your detailed comments on my article. They were
certainly a lot more constructive than some of the bizarre abuse I
received on doctors.net.uk. I would like to respond to some of your
points:
1. I certainly do not suggest that the average medical student is a
"stereotypical ancient social neanderthal." Of course medics have a wide
variety of hobbies. But (i) there is surely a distinction between studying
literature, politics, history etc. as a hobby and studying it as an
academic discipline. (ii) Insofar as a medic does read the humanities, he
has nothing to fear from my proposals. But those social neanderthals that
are in medical school, I suggest, will not be good doctors and so should
not be admitted.
2. You ask for "long term prospective and retrospective studies". I
mentioned a number of such studies in my article. But mainly, my article
was a polemic, not an empirical conclusion. I was partly inviting others
to carry out such research and test my hypotheses, but more importantly,
some of the questions I was asking cannot be answered by long term
prospective and retrospective studies: questions such as "what is a good
doctor?"
3. Your point about women is a good one, but if I am to take it
seriously it would have far-reaching consequences, both in medicine and
other professions. Should the postgraduate surgical training have a 'fast
track' for women, for example? Or maybe we should allow women into medical
school at 18 and men in at 23. Such a move would be supported by the
widespread evidence that women are more mature at 18 than men are.
4. I was amused by your suggestion that "when someone comes in with
an aortic dissection singing them a lullaby or reading them a novel is not
going to work." No, I don't think it would either. But such an
exaggeration reveals what you think of the humanities. Perhaps you would
favour omitting the humanities and social sciences from the medical
curriculum entirely, leaving only 'hard science'? But to repeat my point
in the article, I am proposing *supplementing* the sciences, not
*replacing* them, with a humanities prerequisite. It would be a form of
tie-breaker among applicants with an otherwise uniformly strong science
background.
5. I find the passion of your invective against older students in the
last couple of paragraphs a little odd. Most schools have the same
standards for both school-leavers and older applicants, and so -- in
purely academic terms -- they are surely equally able, no?
I hope I have not misunderstood your points, and would welcome taking
the discussion further.
I am amused by Allen B Shaw's defense of male circumcision while
stating, "...
removal of the clitoris reduces female sexual pleasure, its unjustifiable
purpose."
A small word to the good doctor. As a circumcised WASP female, born
and
raised in Kansas, I can assure you that clitoridectomy indeed reduces
female
sexual pleasure and is unjustifiable, but circumcision of the male also
detrime...
I am amused by Allen B Shaw's defense of male circumcision while
stating, "...
removal of the clitoris reduces female sexual pleasure, its unjustifiable
purpose."
A small word to the good doctor. As a circumcised WASP female, born
and
raised in Kansas, I can assure you that clitoridectomy indeed reduces
female
sexual pleasure and is unjustifiable, but circumcision of the male also
detrimentally impacts not only male but female sexual pleasure as well.
All circumcision began in the USA as a means of lessening everyone's
sexual
pleasure. i find sex with a circumcised male to be completely useless,
whereas sex with an intact male works just fine, though I may never know
the
potential that is available to normal, natural, uncut female bodies. I
suspect
that cut men also may never begin to know what they have been missing. We
can only guess.
I suspect it takes two natural, whole bodies to make really fine
music.
Guedj et al. can lead to error a part of the readers of their
interesting research on confidentiality(1)
In France is truth that "Professional confidentiality (le secret
professionnel), instituted in patients’ interest, is obligatory for every
physician within the conditions established by law. Confidentiality
applies to everything the physician learns in the exercise of his
profession, t...
Guedj et al. can lead to error a part of the readers of their
interesting research on confidentiality(1)
In France is truth that "Professional confidentiality (le secret
professionnel), instituted in patients’ interest, is obligatory for every
physician within the conditions established by law. Confidentiality
applies to everything the physician learns in the exercise of his
profession, that is to say not only what has been confided to him, but
also what he has seen, heard or understood."(2)
Also is truth that “The disclosure of secret information by a person
entrusted with such a secret, either because of his position or
profession, or because of a temporary function or mission, is punished by
one year's imprisonment and a fine of €15,000”.(3)
But, in France, also it is truth that “Anyone who, being able to
prevent by immediate action a felony or a misdemeanour against the bodily
integrity of a person, without risk to himself or to third parties,
wilfully abstains from doing so, is punished by five years' imprisonment
and a fine of €75,000”.(4)
Then, in France, if a doctor breach the confidentiality of a patient
in benefit of another person, acts in legal and ethical manner.
We declare that we do not have conflict of interests
References:
(1) Guedj M, Sastre MT, Mullet E, Sorum PC. Do French lay people and
health professionals find it acceptable to breach confidentiality to
protect a patient's wife from a sexually transmitted disease?Journal of
Medical Ethics 2006;32:414-419; doi:10.1136/jme.2005.012195
(2) Conseil national de l’Ordre des Médecins. Code de déontologie
médicale. Commentary by L René. Paris: Editions du Seuil, 1996
(3) http://195.83.177.9/code/liste.phtml?lang=uk&c=33&r=3731
(accesed on August, 8, 2006)
(4) http://195.83.177.9/code/liste.phtml?lang=uk&c=33&r=3705
(accesed on August, 8, 2006)
In response to the electronic letter by Peter Heasman “Ethical Review
of Non-commercial Clinical Trials”, the LEEDS project team must emphasise
that we do not wish to either overtly or covertly criticise activity of
MREC individuals. We realise that many active researchers sit alongside
non-researchers on MREC committees and surely our common goal is to foster
a culture of research development and in...
In response to the electronic letter by Peter Heasman “Ethical Review
of Non-commercial Clinical Trials”, the LEEDS project team must emphasise
that we do not wish to either overtly or covertly criticise activity of
MREC individuals. We realise that many active researchers sit alongside
non-researchers on MREC committees and surely our common goal is to foster
a culture of research development and innovation within standards that
safeguard the well-being of both participants and staff. After considered
reflection we still feel that, as a research team, we were given
conflicting information by representatives of approvals bodies. We want to
highlight the experience of one team amidst these times of change within
the approvals process. Peter Heasman notes that changes have taken place.
However, we have felt “change-fatigue” and if this is felt by other
research teams this is not good for research practice in the UK. Our plea
to policy makers is that the change that takes place should not only lead
to improvements and foster research innovation, but also be implemented in
a way that does not catch research teams and committees in the middle and
lead to confusion.
We agree that no trial is without risks and there have been recent
high profile breaches of governance and ethics within the clinical
research field. After considered thought, however, we would still maintain
that our recommendation of seeking to regulate Phase 1 trials more
stringently than Phase 4 trials is both pragmatic and time and cost-
effective to all parties.
- I read with interest the article titled "Polemic: five
proposals for a medical school admission policy" by C Cowley.
There are two points I would like to make.
As a pre-clinical Medical Student i can appreciate the advantage of having
a humanities 'A' Level as this will lead to students acquiring skills that
they may not normally acquire in a Science 'A' Level, for example the
ability to write...
- I read with interest the article titled "Polemic: five
proposals for a medical school admission policy" by C Cowley.
There are two points I would like to make.
As a pre-clinical Medical Student i can appreciate the advantage of having
a humanities 'A' Level as this will lead to students acquiring skills that
they may not normally acquire in a Science 'A' Level, for example the
ability to write at length in a coherent and accurate manner. The current
situation with regards to the GCE sciences means that students miss out on
developing these skills especially in Physics and Chemistry. The ability
to write at length is further reinforced by the ever-growing trend for
reflective learning and practice.
Secondly - I do not believe it would be nessessary for the work
experience to be FULL TIME. Provided it lasted for a significant duration
i.e. 12 or maybe more months and was done regularly - maybe for 3 or 4
hours a week (each and every week) - I think this would be equally
enriching. Full time work experience - particularly in a voluntary
capacity would possibly prove equally financially taxing due to loss of
potential income over that year.
I do believe that more debate is needed as to whether minimum age for
admission to the 1st M.B should be raised as this is something definitely
worth thinking about particularly with regards to acquiring more life
experience and therefore being better equipped to practice the art of
medicine.
The Introduction[1] to the very welcome Olivieri Symposium focuses on a “timeline of the most salient events”. Unfortunately, Viens and Savulescu left out several events of fundamental ethical concern and accepted some “facts” that are highly questionable. Most surprisingly, they have fallen into a common error: emphasising the scientific argument, when that is not their expertise, and bypassing the funda...
The Introduction[1] to the very welcome Olivieri Symposium focuses on a “timeline of the most salient events”. Unfortunately, Viens and Savulescu left out several events of fundamental ethical concern and accepted some “facts” that are highly questionable. Most surprisingly, they have fallen into a common error: emphasising the scientific argument, when that is not their expertise, and bypassing the fundamental ethical issue of the obligation to put concern for safety first. Thus their account both misleads in historical fact and misses the ethical point.
A critical omission:
The claimed objectivity of the Timeline is based on citation of three reports: Naimark[2], CAUT[3] and CPSO[4]. Inexplicably, the central conclusion of the Naimark report is not cited, while those of the later CAUT and CPSO reports are. Although all three reports address ethics, Naimark’s conclusions are strongly refuted by the CAUT and CPSO reports. Dr. Arnold Naimark was contracted by HSC to review the matter. Based on allegations by Dr. Hugh O’Brodovich, Paediatrician-in-Chief of the Hospital for Sick Children (HSC), his colleague Dr. Gideon Koren and Apotex Incorporated Vice-President Michael Spino[3], the Naimark report[2] alleged that Dr. Nancy Olivieri had failed to comply with ethical obligations in connection with her identification of unexpected risks of Apotex’s drug, deferiprone (L1). Throughout his investigation, Naimark’s appointment was the subject of controversy. As a result, a few weeks before the release of his report in December 1998, Dr. Naimark was joined by two of Canada’s leading ethicists, Drs. Frederick Lowy and Bartha Knoppers, who signed his report, upholding the allegations.
This central finding of the Naimark report was the basis of HSC’s strong actions against Dr. Olivieri during the next three years. It fueled the controversy from then onward, and the post-1998 story would be incomprehensible to a reader of JME who was unaware of it. Yet Drs. Viens and Savulescu failed to mention it.
The conclusions of the Naimark report were later found to be erroneous by the Canadian Association of University Teachers[3] and the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario[4]. The University of Toronto followed suit and all three fully exonerated Dr. Olivieri. In particular, the CPSO report found her ethical and clinical conduct “exemplary.” By omitting reference to the Naimark report’s now discredited findings, the Viens and Savulescu Timeline could mislead the reader into believing that this report can still reasonably be relied on.
Questionable “facts”: The CAUT report[3] determined that Dr. Koren had given false testimony against Dr. Olivieri to Dr. Naimark, and that he had worked closely with Drs. O’Brodovich and Spino in efforts to discredit her. The Naimark report[2] expressly relied on Dr. Koren’s testimony[3]. A year after the Naimark report was published, Dr. Koren was disciplined, publicly, by all three of the University of Toronto, HSC and CPSO[4] for persistent, extensive dishonesty, including “lying” in his attempts to discredit Dr. Olivieri. The most misleading passage from the Naimark report, cited uncritically in the Timeline, is the reference to two ‘letters’ provided by Dr. Koren to Dr. Naimark for his 1998 inquiry, bearing the ‘dates’ of “December 18, 1996” and “February 8, 1997”[3]. These two ‘letters’ have been discussed in three separate wider-ranging inquiries, each casting serious doubt on their authenticity and citing evidence that they were not written on the 1996 and 1997 ‘dates’ they bear, but instead in the fall of 1998. Dr. Olivieri never received either letter, and learned of them only after the Naimark report was published. Dr. Koren himself later acknowledged that he had destroyed evidence relevant to determining the actual dates on which the ‘letters’ were typed.
Still citing the Naimark report, the Timeline goes on to state, “Koren later publishes findings that L1 was effective and safe on a re-analysis of data.” In fact, as Dr. Koren subsequently acknowledged, these 1997 publications had been drafted by Apotex staff and he had agreed to be listed as senior author[3]. This was a year in which Dr. Koren held a $250,000 research grant from Apotex, but he did not disclose in these publications that he was funded by Apotex, nor did he disclose to the university the source or purpose of the grant[3].
Missing salient events: The Timeline does not mention that Dr. Koren was disciplined for professional misconduct by the CPSO (as well as by the hospital and the university)[5]. More surprisingly, it also omits that he was later disciplined again by the University for scientific misconduct in connection with a 1999 journal article favorable to deferiprone. His article did not disclose his Apotex financial support, did not cite earlier published findings of risks of the drug, did not report adverse data to which he had access, and did not acknowledge the work of Dr. Olivieri and the other scientists who had actually generated the data he used.
The Timeline does not mention that Apotex sent a whole series of legal warnings to Dr. Olivieri in efforts to deter her from disclosing risks to patients, other physicians and regulatory agencies. Apotex copied a number of these warning letters to the university, yet the university took no effective action to support Dr. Olivieri. The Timeline also omits that, simultaneously, the university and Apotex were in negotiations for a multimillion-dollar donation to enable the university to build a new biomedical science complex[3]. During these negotiations, the President Robert Prichard of the university wrote to the Prime Minister of Canada lobbying for patent regulations that would benefit Apotex.
Missing the ethical issue: The Introduction uses space for preliminary regulatory details and the biology of thalassemia and iron chelation, although the authors are not experts in either scientific field. Yet the fundamental ethical issue is missing. Dr. Olivieri identified a risk of lack of sustained efficacy and therefore possible harm, and insisted on informed patient consent and valid clinical trials to address the potential harms. Apotex prematurely terminated the trials and repeatedly tried to silence her with legal warnings. The fundamental ethical issue is the failure of Dr. Olivieri’s hospital and university to support her ethically correct approach to clinical science.
References
(1) Viens AM, Savulescu J. Introduction to The Olivieri symposium. J Med Ethics 2004;30(1):1-7.
(2) Naimark A, Knoppers B, Lowy F. Clinical trials of L1 (deferiprone) at The Hospital for Sick Children: a review of the facts and circumstances. Toronto: Hospital for Sick Children; 1998.
(3) Thompson J, Baird P, Downie J. Report of the Committee of Inquiry on the case involving Dr. Nancy Olivieri, the Hospital for Sick Children, the University of Toronto, and Apotex, Inc. Toronto: James Lorimer and Company Ltd; 2001.
(4) The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario Complaints Committee: Decision and Reasons. Claimant: Dr. Laurence Becker; respondent: Dr. Nancy Olivieir. Dec 19: No 44410. 2001.
(5) Downie J, Baird P, Thompson J. Industry and the academy: conflicts of interest in contemporary health research. Health Law J 2002;10:103-22.
Although Cowley (Polemic: five proposals for a medical school admission
policy J Med Ethics 2006; 32: 491-494) writes an engaging and entertaining
account of how medical school selection criteria could be modified to
avoid many of the traditional biases, my main criticism is that the author
creates his own prejudices by force feeding us his own viewpoint instead
of providing a truly objective and balanc...
Although Cowley (Polemic: five proposals for a medical school admission
policy J Med Ethics 2006; 32: 491-494) writes an engaging and entertaining
account of how medical school selection criteria could be modified to
avoid many of the traditional biases, my main criticism is that the author
creates his own prejudices by force feeding us his own viewpoint instead
of providing a truly objective and balanced discussion.
In particular the author suggests that pure science graduates are no
longer the most suitable for medicine, as has traditionally been
considered the case and that preference should be given to those with A-
levels in the humanities. I stress that we need to move away from
harboring such polarized views which are of little help in creating a fair
applications procedure since they simply shift existing biases as opposed
to tackling them. If the application procedure is to be reformed to
genuinely make it fairer for all, there needs to be a move towards
assessing candidates based upon on their individual merits, in contrast to
categorizing them based upon their A-level choices as the author suggests.
More specifically, I do not agree with his rationale for favouring
students with an A-level in English Literature. He suggests that the study
of literature makes us better communicators and also helps us to better
understand the emotions of a patient. This is a fair comment, but why do
we need an A-level to demonstrate this? Is it not possible for student’s
who enjoy literature and read in their spare time to develop similar
skills? Furthermore current 2 year A-level courses may have students study
a handful of books in great depth without necessarily providing a broader
experience and appreciation of literature which can only come through self
study. In addition, most medical schools already screen for an interest in
literature by asking candidates probing questions about their interests
and hobbies. My overriding point is that one’s educational grounding is
not simply restricted to their A-level choices; education is something
that is much broader than this.
One further point that I would like to put forward is that proposals
of this kind tend to favour the selection of those with certain
personality and character traits. But is this a good thing for medicine?
Sure, most of us would agree that we would like our doctors to find the
balance between science and humanity, so that they can understand and
empathise with us. Similarly none of us would want someone who empathises
and understands but has no clue about how to treat us. But what about
medical disciplines such as research or lab based specialities including
biochemistry or pathology where a scientific mindset is more relevant than
an ability to communicate and interact with people. There is a danger that
in implementing the author’s proposals, we may exclude perfectly able
science candidates to the overall detriment of medicine.
I want to thank Dr Olivieri’s core set of long-standing supporters for their letter [1] on the Introduction to the Olivieri Symposium that was recently published in the Journal of Medical Ethics.[2] Gallie et al. have been staunch supporters of Dr. Olivieri for years, and this support on her behalf has played a pivotal role in attempting to clarify perceived mistakes made in public and academic repo...
I want to thank Dr Olivieri’s core set of long-standing supporters for their letter [1] on the Introduction to the Olivieri Symposium that was recently published in the Journal of Medical Ethics.[2] Gallie et al. have been staunch supporters of Dr. Olivieri for years, and this support on her behalf has played a pivotal role in attempting to clarify perceived mistakes made in public and academic reporting on the Olivieri Affair.
In their recent letter, however, there are a number of plainly false charges that demonstrate either they have not read the Introduction closely enough or that their letter was hastily written (or possibly both). Gallie et al. charge that several events of fundamental ethical concern were left out of the Introduction and the authors accept some facts that are highly questionable. The purpose of this response is to clarify the errors and falsities within Gallie et al's letter. I also highlight the few points of legitimate disagreement they raise.
1. The Purpose of the Symposium Introduction
The time line within the Introduction was included to provide readers unfamiliar with the Olivieri Affair with a snapshot of key events, not a systematic recounting of all events (as was noted). The purpose of the Introduction was always descriptive and informational in nature, and not concerned with putting forth normative arguments or conclusions. We invited leading bioethicists and individuals involved and/or familiar with the Olivieri Affair to address the ethical questions and issues surrounding and arising from this case.
Gallie et al. charge that “Most surprisingly, they have fallen into a common error: emphasising the scientific argument, when that is not their expertise, and bypassing the fundamental ethical issue of the obligation to put concern for safety first.” This charge is largely unfounded. Firstly, the Introduction did not bypass the fundamental ethical issue in favour of emphasizing the scientific argument – in fact, we state the Olivieri Affair was “much more than a scientific disagreement over the interpretation of data” ([2], p.5). Secondly, the Introduction does discuss the ethical obligations to put safety first and support researchers in Olivieri's position – we clearly do on page 6 of the Introduction.[2] However, as was previously stated, we invited contributors to address what they saw as the fundamental ethical issues in the case; it was not the Introduction’s function to do this. (I address the issue of scientific arguments and expertise in §7).
Gallie et al. think it ought to be concluded in a grand, sweeping fashion that “Thus their account both misleads in historical fact and misses the ethical point”. Not only is this leap in logic specious, as will be demonstrated throughout this response, the Introduction is not guilty of misleading or missing the point.
2. The Naimark Report
Gallie et al. state that the Introduction failed to give the central conclusion of the Naimark Report[3], while the CAUT [4] and CPSO [5] Reports were given. In the time line, we state that the Naimark report finds that the HSC staff did not act improperly ([2], p. 5, see time line heading ‘December 1998’). This was the primarily conclusion of focus in the public reporting of the issue. However, Gallie et al. believe we should have also reported the fact that the Naimark Report declared that Dr Olivieri had failed to comply with her ethical obligations. They claim “this central finding of the Naimark report was the basis of HSC’s strong actions against Dr Olivieri during the next three years. It fueled the controversy from then onward, and the post-1998 story would be incomprehensible to a reader of JME who was unaware of it”. We chose to leave this out because other contributors to the symposium make this point explicitly.[6] Upon reflection, maybe this should have been made more explicit in the Introduction. However, Gallie et al's contention that the post-98 story would be incomprehensible to a reader who was unaware of the Olivieri Affair seems over dramatic. While this finding should have been more explicit, the overall time line is quite comprehensible to those unfamiliar with the case.
Nevertheless, Gallie et al. go on to deride the Naimark Report and maintain “Naimark’s conclusions are strongly refuted by the CAUT and CPSO reports”. It is claimed that we failed to reference Naimark's discredited findings by the CAUT and CPSO reports. This is true, however, we also failed to reference those who have sought to discredit the findings of the CAUT report. The time line was complied using documents in the public domain and we attempted to provide the best accounting possible; such an attempt could not be reasonably expected to provide a systematic historical account (for arguments against the possibility of determining ‘historical facts’, see Jenkins [7]). When we did use the Naimark Report, the information used was on the whole cross-referenced with other documents in the public domain.
Gallie et al. seem to resent the appearance that all three reports used in the Introduction are of equal probative value. No such representations were made or intended, but I can see why they may think this is the case. They cite the controversy surrounding the Naimark Report as evidence of why it should not be viewed as worthwhile as the CAUT and CPSO reports. However, it seems far from obvious that since these reports discredit the conclusions of the Naimark Report that all of the information contained therein is false. We encouraged readers to look at all the reports. Personally, I believe the CAUT report is a much better and balanced report. However, just because the CAUT report says that the Naimark Report came to erroneous conclusions does not make it the case that the report should not be referenced at all. Given that we state that the Hospital for Sick Children and the University of Toronto should have done more to support Dr. Olivieri, one might infer that we tended to believe the CAUT report was better than the Naimark report. But again, it was not the purpose of the Introduction to make pronouncements on which report was better. If the specific information used from the Naimark Report is false (all incidences of the use of the Naimark Report are referenced), please inform the JME and an amendment or retraction can be made. Chastising us for not rejecting the entire report, and everything contained in it, is not sufficient to reasonably ground a charge that time line is misleading in historical fact.
3. The College of Physicians and Surgeons (Ontario) Report
In the Introduction, we reported that College of Physicians and Surgeons (Ontario) [CPSO] report determined that Dr Olivieri was found to have done nothing wrong in her role as investigator of the L1 trial. This report arose out of a complaint from a physician at the Hospital for Sick Children against Dr. Olivieri. While the CPSO report dealt with a great deal of the events of the Olivieri Affair, it was not a report or inquiry into the entire Olivieri Affair per se (i.e. the scope of the CPSO committee was to investigate the charge against Dr Olivieri, not conduct a review of all events in the Olivieri Affair).
Gallie et al. claim that we should have also reported the further fact that the CPSO found Dr Olivieri’s conduct “exemplary”. I take Gallie et al’s (implicit?) point that having been found to have done nothing wrong and being found to have acted in an exemplary fashion are different enough to merit mention. We choose to leave this out because other contributors to the symposium make this point explicitly.[6] Maybe it was an oversight not to include this laudatory epithet and only to report that Dr. Olivieri was found to have done nothing wrong. Personally, I believe Dr Olivieri acted in an exemplary fashion and showed extreme courage and moral fortitude. So, the absence of the word exemplary from our discussion of the CPSO report was honestly inadvertent. Nevertheless, it would be wrong to claim that the Introduction did not give the impression that Dr Olivieri acted in an exemplary fashion. We state that Dr Olivieri had great conviction in standing up and speaking out against the academic medical complex ([2], p.6).
4. Dr Koren
Gallie et al. claim that we were wrong to state that Dr Olivieri received “two letters” from Dr. Koren because “these two ‘letters’ have been discussed in three separate wider-ranging inquiries, each casting serious doubt on their authenticity and citing evidence that they were not written on the 1996 and 1997 ‘dates’ they bear, but instead in the fall of 1998. Dr Olivieri never received either letter, and learned of them only after the Naimark report was published. Dr Koren himself later acknowledged that he had destroyed evidence relevant to determining the actual dates on which the ‘letters’ were typed.” We did not refer to these two letters, nor did we imply that Dr Olivieri ever received these two letters when Dr Koren originally reported. We only state that “[Dr Koren] inform[ed] Dr Olivieri that he will not continue in collaborative and data interpretation work with her” ([2], p.4).
Gallie et al. claim we failed to explicitly report that Dr. Koren in later publishing findings that L1 was effective and safe on a re-analysis of data and that was failed to state that “these 1997 publications had been drafted by Apotex staff and he had agreed to be listed as senior author. This was a year in which Dr Koren held a $250,000 research grant from Apotex, but he did not disclose in these publications that he was funded by Apotex, nor did he disclose to the university the source or purpose of the grant”. Again, we made no representations as to the validity of Dr. Koren’s research. We merely reported that he published these findings. Indeed, the aforementioned information provides good cause to be concerned over issues of conflict of interest. However, since we did not make or imply that this research invalidated or called into question Dr. Olivieri’s findings, it was felt that we could not make room for this further information. Moreover, given the subsequent treatment of Dr Koren (i.e., being disciplined over professional and research behaviour), it is unlikely one would think that Dr Koren’s research would invalidate Dr Olivieri’s findings simply on reporting that contrary findings were published.
Gallie et al. also claim that “the Time line does not mention that Dr Koren was disciplined for professional misconduct by the CPSO (as well as by the hospital and the university)”. This is simply false. In fact, the Introduction states that Dr. Koren was disciplined by the Hospital for Sick Children and the University of Toronto, in addition to being cautioned (which is a form of discipline) by the CPSO ([2], see, p.5, time line heading ‘1999/2000’). It is incorrect and misleading to say that this information was omitted from the Introduction.
It was an inadvertent omission that we did not include the fact that Dr Koren was disciplined again by the University of Toronto for scientific misconduct in connection with a 1999 journal article favorable to L1. As was stated at the end of the time line, any omissions were unintentional. However, it seems that this minor omission is not crucial for the general picture a reader unfamiliar with the case needed to know, given we did mention that Dr. Koren was disciplined by the Hospital for Sick Children, the University of Toronto (the first time), and the College of Physicians and Surgeons (Ontario).
5. Apotex’s Legal Warnings/Threats Against Dr Olivieri
Gallie et al. charge “The Time line does not mention that Apotex sent a whole series of legal warnings”. This is simply false. In fact, we mention these legal warnings on three separate occasions. Examination of the time line will reveal that we indicate:
a) the initial legal warning Apotex made against Dr Olivieri,
b) a subsequent legal threat made by Michael Spino, and
c) Dean Aberman’s request to Apotex to stop their legal threats ([2], see p.3, time line headings ‘May 1996’ and ‘June 1996’). It is incorrect and misleading to say that this information was omitted from the Introduction.
6. The Relationship Between Apotex and the University of Toronto
Gallie et al. charge that “The Time line also omits that, simultaneously, the university and Apotex were in negotiations for a multimillion-dollar donation to enable the university to build a new biomedical science”. Because of space considerations we choose to present this information not in the timeline, but in section III of the Introduction. In fact, we explicitly state in the Introduction that ‘…at the time of the Olivieri Affair, Apotex was in discussions with the University of Toronto about a multimillion dollar donation’ ([2], p.6). Moreover, in the same section, we also explicitly state the involvement of the president of the university with Apotex. We state that “… the president of the University of Toronto had lobbied the Prime Minister of Canada on behalf of Apotex in 1999 [and] there was a major outcry and further talk of distrust of close ties between public institutions and corporate interests” ([2], p.6).
If the crux of Gallie et al’s complaint is that this information should have appeared in the time line and not in the next section of the Introduction, it would seem that such a complaint is trivial and unreasonable. What is of importance is that this information was included in the Introduction. It is simply erroneous and misleading to give the impression that such information was omitted from the Introduction.
7. Providing Information about a Disease in a Bioethics Article
Gallie et al. seem to find it problematic that the Introduction included basic scientific information about thalassemia (for the purposes of informing those readers who may not be familiar with the disease). The problem seems to stem from the fact that the Introduction was not written by scientific experts in the disease, and somehow this fact is supposed to relate to "fudging the ethics".
Firstly, we never claimed to be experts on thalassemia (although one of the authors does have a medical degree). The purpose of including such information was to provide general, background information about the disease, its treatment, and the impetus for the research for an oral iron chelator. In reality, Gallie et al’s mention (on two occasions) that the authors of the Introduction are not experts in thalassemia is a fallacious attempt to discredit the Introduction without warrant. (It is an instance of an argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy, for those interested in logic). The fact that the authors are not experts in thalassemia has absolutely no baring on the putative errors Gallie et al. seem to find with the Introduction. It would be just as silly for me to argue that since Gallie et al. are not moral experts or possess a PhD in philosophy that they should not be able to comment on ethical matters. Now, if there is an error about the scientific information included that is grossly misleading about thalassemia and its treatment, then that would be an issue worthy of mention and deserving correction. However, since they fail to mention any such errors one can only assume that this is not the source of the problem.
Secondly, it does not follow that one needs to be a scientific expert to provide general information on a disease or its treatment. We were not providing expert opinion on the topic. We were not making pronouncements about an issue where thalassemia experts in the field disagree or where there is a high level of uncertainty. In fact, in this information we cite Dr Olivieri’s work, and one of her supporters, Dr David Weatherall, as authorities in the field. If the inclusion of basic, background information about a disease in the context of a bioethics article is problematic, many bioethicists are certainly guilty of this!
8. Omitting the “Fundamental Ethics Issue”
Gallie et al. conclude their letter by returning to the alleged omission that we did not mention the “fundamental ethical issue”, viz., informed consent and patient safety. If one examines the concluding paragraph of the Introduction, we covered all of the issues Gallie et al. say we omitted.
Gallie et al. state “Dr Olivieri identified a risk of lack of sustained efficacy and therefore possible harm, and insisted on informed patient consent and valid clinical trials to address the potential harms.” In fact, we acknowledge this to be the case ([2], pp. 2-3, time line heading ‘March 1996’). This information was not omitted from the Introduction.
Gallie et al. also state “Apotex prematurely terminated the trials and repeatedly tried to silence her with legal warnings”. In fact, we also acknowledge this to be the case ([2], pp. 2-3). This information was not omitted from the Introduction.
Gallie et al. conclude that “The fundamental ethical issue is the failure of Dr Olivieri’s hospital and university to support her ethically correct approach to clinical science.” In section III, we state that ‘HSC and U of T should have supported Dr Olivieri more... and protected her ability to do what she thought (and had sufficient warrant to believe) was required by a morally responsible researcher’ ([2], p.6). Although we tried to deal only with descriptive matters in the Introduction (leaving the evaluative judgments for contributors), even we could not resist making this conclusion. I am unsure as to why Gallie et al. fail to see it.
9. Concluding Remarks
We certainly welcome more input from those individuals involved with the Olivieri Affair. As it states in the Introduction, “there are many lessons to be learnt from the Olivieri Affair. We hope this symposium will begin a fair and productive examination of these which will lead to better ethical evaluation and regulation of research, not just in North America but globally” ([2], p.6). However, what is quite unhelpful is input that asserts demonstrably false and misleading accusations. No one benefits from this. That being said, Gallie et al. do raise a few legitimate points that will be of interest to those interested in the Olivieri Affair (I have noted where I believe these few points have been made). I thank them for elucidating these points. It is the rest of their letter, however, I find of little value.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a symposium is a “meeting or conference for discussion of some subject; hence, a collection of opinions delivered, or a series of articles contributed, by a number of persons on some special topic” [8]. However, it is more than this. A symposium, an institution dating back at least to ancient Greece, is not merely a collection of opinions on the same topic, but a co-operative attempt to engage in dialogue to elucidate the problem or issues under consideration. It is foolhardy to think one could isolate individual components of a symposium as ‘mini-attempts’ to provide a complete picture or answer to all questions or issues. For instance, that would be like reading Plato’s Symposium without reading all of the speeches or reading one of the speeches as being representative of the whole story! Attempting to pull out individual contributions as being disconnected from the whole is to take a wrongheaded view. Taken as a whole, the Olivieri symposium meets its aim of being a fair and productive examination of the events and issues involved. The Introduction contributes to it being so.
References
1. Gallie BL, Durie P, Ranalli P, Dick J, Chan HSL. Introduction to the Olivieri Symposium – Don’t Fudge the Ethics [electronic response to Viens and Savulescu; Introduction to The Olivieri symposium] jmedethics.com 2004http://jme.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/30/1/1#169
2. Viens AM, Savulescu J. Introduction to The Olivieri symposium. J Med Ethics 2004;30(1):1-7.
3. Naimark A, Knoppers B, Lowy F. Clinical trials of L1 (deferiprone) at The Hospital for Sick Children: a review of the facts and circumstances. Toronto: Hospital for Sick Children; 1998.
4. Thompson J, Baird P, Downie J. Report of the Committee of Inquiry on the case involving Dr. Nancy Olivieri, the Hospital for Sick Children, the University of Toronto, and Apotex, Inc. Toronto: James Lorimer and Company Ltd; 2001.
5. The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario Complaints Committee: Decision and Reasons. Claimant: Dr. Laurence Becker; respondent: Dr. Nancy Olivieri. Dec 19: No 44410. 2001.
6. Schafer A. Biomedical conflict of interest: a defence of the sequestration thesis – learning from the cases of Nancy Olivieri and David Healy. J Med Ethics 30(1):8-24.
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I have been accused of creating "prejudices" and of "force-feeding"
others my own viewpoint. This seems a bit strong. Yes, it was a polemic,
and so is by definition one-sided, but this should be taken as an
invitation to discussion about what I think is an important question:
which applicants are most likely to become the best doctors? And that
itself depends on the question of what is a good doctor....
I have been accused of creating "prejudices" and of "force-feeding"
others my own viewpoint. This seems a bit strong. Yes, it was a polemic,
and so is by definition one-sided, but this should be taken as an
invitation to discussion about what I think is an important question:
which applicants are most likely to become the best doctors? And that
itself depends on the question of what is a good doctor.
Oswal says that we should "move towards assessing candidates based
upon on their individual merits, in contrast to categorizing them based
upon their A-level choices as the author suggests." As such, I assume
Oswal is saying that we should be interviewing ALL applicants to medical
school? This would be a logistically very demanding process. Should we
even be interviewing those applicants without ANY A-levels? Should we be
interviewing applicants who are ten years old? Surely we need SOME
criteria to decide whom to interview in the first place.
Next, Oswal asks whether it is not possible "for students who enjoy
literature and read in their spare time to develop similar skills?"
Certainly it is possible, just as it is possible in principle for students
who enjoy biology to read in their spare time and acquire the requisite
knowledge to enter medical school. But we still need to *assess* such
knowledge and skills in both cases. In principle the medical schools could
organise their own entrance exam, but why bother... *if* the A-levels are
enough? There is a separate debate about whether the English lit A-level
can do the job, but I would imagine that most teachers of literature A-
level would strenuously deny Oswal's claim that the programme fails to
"provide a broader experience and appreciation of literature which can
only come through self study." Self study can mean all sorts of things,
surely! Oswal would not trust an applicant who had merely been
"interested" in biology and "studied it himself", as a "hobby" -- he would
insist that the applicant had achieved a certain standardised level. So it
is with English Literature.
Finally Oswal asks about "medical disciplines such as research or lab
based specialities including biochemistry or pathology where a scientific
mindset is more relevant than an ability to communicate and interact with
people". I would entirely agree. So let people with such interests study
biology or biomedical sciences or physiology in a Faculty of Science, let
them do a PhD, let them apply for research grants etc.. That is perfectly
respectable career path. Why should we ask them to spend all those years
in medical school talking to patients if they are not interested?
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Dear Editor
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Dear Editor,
I have been accused of creating "prejudices" and of "force-feeding" others my own viewpoint. This seems a bit strong. Yes, it was a polemic, and so is by definition one-sided, but this should be taken as an invitation to discussion about what I think is an important question: which applicants are most likely to become the best doctors? And that itself depends on the question of what is a good doctor....
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